Sharing is caring — especially with chronic illness — and in this week’s episode, Skye and Kat trade tips, tricks, hacks, and tools with three of their Mighty colleagues who also live with migraine: Alexandria, Anjana, and Jess. They share what works (and what doesn’t) for managing their symptoms and do a little reflection on what they wish they would’ve known a little earlier in their migraine journeys. Come for the tips, stay for the camaraderie.

You can also listen on our Spotify for Podcasters page and on Apple Podcasts.

 

Additional Reading:

21 ‘Unconventional’ Ways People Cope with Migraine

 

Episode Transcript:

Skye Gailing

Welcome to Health and (un)Wellness. 

Kat Harrison  

A podcast brought to you by The Mighty, where we put the human back in health. I’m Kat. 

Skye Gailing  

And I’m Skye, and we are your hosts for this season, Mighty With Migraine.

Kat Harrison  

Between the two of us, our heads have over 33 years of experience being a pain in our brains. 

Skye Gailing  

Yours too? Let’s be friends who wear sunglasses inside.

Kat Harrison  

Now on to today’s episode, we’ll be trading migraine tips, hacks, and tools. Hello, Skye. 

Skye Gailing  

Hey, Kat!

Kat Harrison  

I’m living my best migraine life, and I’m excited for our topic today.

Skye Gailing  

I’m so excited because we have some really special guests today. The beautiful thing about treating a chronic illness like migraine is that different things work for different people, right? So Kat and I didn’t want to trade tips in a vacuum. 

Kat Harrison  

Whoo hoo! So what’s interesting is that — I think I mentioned in an earlier episode — The Mighty actually has a really small team, but our migraine representation is so strong, which I think speaks to how prevalent and common the disease is. And hello to our three very special Mighty guests. So I wanted to introduce Skye and I’s colleagues, Jess, Anjana, and Alexandria who work in a variety of departments. They all live with migraine. They’re going to answer some wonderful questions and hopefully laugh a little bit. But we thought a fun way, Skye, to kick this off and introduce them would be to do a quick little lightning round… our favorite. 

Skye Gailing  

We love a lightning round. 

Kat Harrison  

OK, Jess, it’s your turn. Are you ready?

Jess  

I’m up, let’s go.

Kat Harrison  

When did your migraine symptoms start?

Jess  

Really as long as I can remember. I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately, knowing we were going to record today. And I really feel like in hindsight, a lot of those mysterious things that I was dealing with growing up were actually related to migraine, and we just didn’t know. So really, as long as I can remember.

Kat Harrison  

That’s actually a very common experience we have learned — not knowing what it is and then learning what it is. What age exactly were you diagnosed with migraine?

Jess  

I don’t know how to do math like that. Early-mid 20s? Something like that.

Kat Harrison  

Love it. So for the audience, we’ve talked about this before — migraine being a primary or a secondary condition — basically meaning that migraine is a symptom of something else you have or it is one of your main conditions. So, Jess, what would you say: primary or secondary?

Jess  

It’s primary for sure. But the more I learn about my other conditions, I kind of wonder, is it also secondary? I don’t know.

Kat Harrison  

It is possible to be both. What’s your least favorite migraine symptom? 

Jess  

Can I say all of them? 

Kat Harrison  

You can say all of them. If you had to choose, though?

Jess  

The fatigue, the brain fog, the nausea, the irritability, but probably the most common symptom that I experience that other people notice is when my brain and my words stop connecting and my words stop wording and things don’t make sense.

Kat Harrison  

Yep, when things stop wording — sounds very relatable! OK, hot debate in the migraine community: caffeine. Do you find it helpful or harmful?

Jess  

Give me all the caffeine.

Kat Harrison  

Yes. Be my best friend. What is your biggest migraine trigger?

Jess  

That would probably be a toss up between the barometric pressure and hormones.

Kat Harrison  

OK, you’re in great company here. And last one, would you rather use ice or heat to treat your migraine?

Jess  

If you had asked me this a year and a half ago, I would’ve said heat. However, since working at The Mighty and meeting the two of you, I have learned that ice is actually really helpful. And I have to give credit to my friend Nikki as well who has been telling me about ice for years. And so between Nikki telling me about ice and the two of you telling me about ice and headache hats, I am now a big fan of both — give me both.

Kat Harrison
I love it. Who’s up next, Skye?

Skye Gailing
We have the wonderful, one and only, Alexandria! I don’t know… I tried to do an Oprah thing there. It wasn’t the same. All right, lightning round time. When did your migraine symptoms start?

 

Alexandria  

I was in fourth grade. I think I might have been nine years old. I remember it distinctly — it was near the end of the school day and my head hurt so much and light hurt and I had no idea what was going on. Thankfully, my mother, well not thankfully for her, but she had migraine. So when I told her about the symptoms later, she knew what it was. So we figured out what it was pretty quickly.

Skye Gailing  

So were you diagnosed with migraine around that time too?

Alexandria  

No, it was a few more years. My mother liked to be in charge of my health care herself, so I didn’t go to doctors regularly — that’s a whole other conversation. But when I saw doctors, I did tell them about it and they confirmed that they were migraine.

Skye Gailing  

So is migraine a primary or secondary condition for you?

Alexandria  

It’s a primary condition. It happens all on its own but a lot of other things will trigger them. So I’m not sure if that would count as secondary but it definitely gets triggered by other things. If I ever get sick, I get a migraine too. Neck pain? Migraine. But migraine will happen entirely on its own.

Skye Gailing  

So strong, so powerful; the migraine. What’s your least favorite migraine symptom?

Alexandria  

I mean, they’re all awful. I suppose the least favorite is whichever one is strongest at any given moment. 

Skye Gailing  

That’s a good answer. 

Alexandria  

But I think overall, the sensitivity to light is really awful for me personally because if it’s anything else, except for intense nausea, I can handle my day. I can kind of power through it. At the very least I can probably read or watch TV, but if the sensitivity to light is too much, I can’t do anything.

Skye Gailing  

It’s brutal. I have a feeling I know the answer to this one. But for you, is caffeine helpful or harmful?

Alexandria  

It’s helpful. Me and my caramel macchiato. BFFs.

Skye Gailing  

I was about to say as I look at my iced coffee, I see you with yours. And then what’s your biggest trigger?

Alexandria  

Temperature changes can do it, neck pain can do it, pressure, and every time I get ill I get a migraine. I don’t know if there’s a biggest one. It’s just all over the place.

Skye Gailing  

Just a bunch of things. It’s great. We love it. And then ice versus heat. Which is it for you?

Alexandria  

Heat, absolutely. I keep hearing about ice. I’ve tried ice. It does not work for [my] migraine. Ice will work for tension headaches for me, but not for migraine.

Skye Gailing  

Interesting.

Kat Harrison  

See, this is why we have a variety of guests, everyone! And what we’ll say today is that different things help different people and that is OK. Anjana, last but not least, I’m so excited — by the way, not excited about your migraine — but I’m happy you’re here! When did your migraine symptoms start?

Anjana  

My migraine symptoms started when I was in fifth grade, like around 9-10 years [old], and my dad always had migraine. So when I first started having symptoms and started having headaches, he kind of knew what it was. And he was like, “Oh, that’s a migraine.” He always had migraine, he had chronic migraine. So it was kind of a common thing in our house. So I didn’t really go to the doctor, or get medicines or anything like that. We just managed it at home. When I was younger, my parents didn’t really want to give me any strong medicines or anything like that. So I was just told to kind of sleep it out. But I don’t think they realized what a migraine was, even though he was actually going through it. It was kind of treated like a headache. And I’ve just been struggling with it. But I think I got a formal diagnosis two years before or after I got the concussion. 

Kat Harrison  

And how long ago was that? 

Anjana  

That was like a year and a half ago. 

Kat Harrison  

OK, so, new migraine diagnosis for you. 

Anjana  

Yeah, so I always kind of had migraine, but it was not as chronic. I would say that I didn’t have it every single day. I would get it like maybe once or twice a week. But after the concussion it was every day all the time. And then I knew that it was obviously a symptom after the concussion, but I had to go to a neurologist and then start taking medicine every day.

Kat Harrison  

It’s very similar to my story, actually. Something medically happened to me, I’m genetically predisposed to it. I also just wanted to call out the fact, and Skye and I’ve talked a lot about this, there are a lot of gender differences when it comes to migraine. It’s usually three times more likely to occur in women so I think it’s very fascinating that it actually happens on the paternal side of your family, so I wanted to call attention to that. What is your least favorite symptom, Anjana? 

Anjana  

Sensitivity to light. 

Kat Harrison  

You and Alexandria can hang out, wear your sunglasses, blanket pulled over you.

Anjana  

Yeah, I really hate sensitivity to light because of the same things that Alexandria actually mentioned. I was able to relate to that a lot because I can’t really do anything when I’m sensitive to light. I just have to close my eyes and not do anything and the only thing I can then focus on is the migraine, which sucks. 

Kat Harrison  

Caffeine: helpful, harmful? 

Anjana  

That’s an interesting question. Before I get the migraine, if I have it right in the morning, super helpful – it’s going to put me in a good place in the morning. But, if I’m starting to get a migraine and I have coffee, it’s very bad.

Kat Harrison  

Fascinating. Again, this is why we have a very large guest panel today everyone because as soon as I feel a really bad one starting, I am basically grinding coffee grounds and shoving them down my throat. So, that is really interesting. What would you say your biggest trigger is Anjana?

Anjana  

Stress. That sometimes comes from the neck, like Alexandria mentioned, so it starts from neck pain. Another is sunlight for sure. So, if I have sudden exposure to sunlight — if I suddenly just walk out and get a bout of sunlight — that definitely is a huge trigger. And then flashing headlights and also strong smells, like some perfumes.

Kat Harrison  

We haven’t really talked about that yet, but very common. Ice or heat. Where do you fall? 

Anjana  

Ice. Especially after the headache hat that you mentioned, Kat. I am such a fan.

Skye Gailing  

Let’s take a quick break to change our shades and then get back at it.

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Skye Gailing  

And we’re back. 

Kat Harrison  

Everyone, I’ve mentioned this headache hat, but this is the episode to talk about it. I’m gonna talk about it a little later. But first, Skye, I wanted to ask, how do we feel about unsolicited advice?

Skye Gailing  

It’s the worst, you know? You’re going through all the pain and everything and you’re trying this, that, and everything else under the sun and then some distant relative or random co-worker in an office space is like, “Hey, what if you tried drinking celery juice?” Didn’t ask.

Kat Harrison  

Nope, sure didn’t. I think it’s a good place to start because I think a lot of the times when we talk about what helps us in treating our conditions, no matter what it is, people just want to help. They want to propose things that work. But in all reality, the person living with the condition likely knows what helps them. And I think a lot of times, one of our favorite things to say at The Mighty is: if someone wants advice, they’ll ask you for it. So don’t offer it unless they say it. So let’s actually start out on a really just great note, which is, what is the worst advice someone has ever given you? The most outlandish.

Skye Gailing  

For a while in high school, my dad wouldn’t let me eat peanut butter. For months, because he’s like, “This is it. You’ve tried it all. I read somewhere that it’s peanut butter.”

Kat Harrison  

Jess, what about you?

Jess  

I’m not sure, water? 

Kat Harrison  

Yeah, I was gonna say, Jess, do you drink water? 

Jess  

Yeah, that’s probably the one.

Kat Harrison  

OK, Alexandria. What about you?

Alexandria  

I’m not sure that I’ve gotten anything that’s really outlandish, but I’ve gotten some things like don’t drink any caffeine. Me and caffeine are buddies. I’ve gotten drink electrolytes, meditate, melatonin.

Kat Harrison  

Hey, have you tried just eliminating stress? Don’t get stressed, just remove it from your experience as a human. I get that one a lot. I get: don’t be anxious, don’t be depressed. You’re right! I’m just gonna turn that off. Anjana, what about you?

Anjana  

I got one recently after I went to the neurologist after the concussion and I got medication prescribed that I take every day, I got a distant relative telling me that I should not take that medicine and that it’s really bad for me. It’s bad for my health. So I should just not take it and try to have a holistic routine of exercise, and drinking more water, reducing stress, mindfulness, just good diet, and you know, like all of these medicines are just a fad.

 

Kat Harrison  

Cool. We love when people believe they know what’s best for your treatment. That’s awesome. We asked this question on The Mighty and, y’all. This is the best answer. Someone was literally told to do headstands. That would do it. Yep. Totally gonna get the migraine away. Did you know? 

Jess  

What?

Kat Harrison  

Yeah, I know Jess, go ahead and laugh. First of all, I can’t even do that. The audacity to believe I – or maybe it’s the confidence in me – thank you so much for suggesting that. But then actually believing that that would help? Yeah, that’s something.

Skye Gailing  

Aside from just simply going outside and touching a tree or grass and drinking water — that was sarcasm — I’m curious what actually works for people here, like what you’ve tried over the years living with migraine. We’ve talked about before in the podcast how there are the different stages of migraine: when you feel the attack coming on during the prodrome, when you’re in the attack, and then during the postdrome, or as we like to call it, the migraine hangover. Jess, what works for you, or works for you enough, when you feel a migraine attack coming on?

Jess  

Caffeine? Heat. There’s this CBD cream that I really find helpful if it’s a neck-involved migraine coming, or back.

Kat Harrison  

Is it a stick? Or is it a cream that you apply with your fingers?

Jess  

It’s cream, but I got one of those lotion applicator paddle things so that I can reach parts of my back that I wouldn’t otherwise be able to reach. It’s really helpful. And electrolytes. I do have other conditions so the electrolytes help with the other conditions, which can help sometimes with the migraine. Shout out to Skye for that hot tip.

Kat Harrison  

It’s a newer thing for me in the past three to four years, but what a difference increasing my electrolytes has actually done for me. There are lots of different powders. I will say mine is Liquid I.V., and that’s mostly because I’m very, very picky about sweet flavors of powders, but I do know it has more sugar than some people can have. Does anyone have any other recommendations for electrolytes?

Skye Gailing  

Gatorade Zero. My dad’s diabetic so we mostly have Gatorade Zero in the house. And, right now — you can’t see it if you’re listening to this podcast — but I have orange Gatorade powder in my water bottle. But yeah, like Jess said, that POTS life, you gotta get that sodium in there, and that’ll hopefully, usually, help the other stuff.

Kat Harrison  

Alexandria, you have a really cool heating pad.

Alexandria  

I have a couple really cool heating pads. I have this heating pad that’s specifically for the neck and shoulders.

Kat Harrison  

It’s so good, everyone, I got it. And I might just implant it in my body because it feels great. 

Alexandria  

It’s great. It was such a great upgrade from the ones where you would put them in the microwave. This one plugs in, so it’s just hours of comfort. I also have a heated eye mask which is really useful, especially when the sensitivity to light gets really bad. I can just plug that in, and I put that on, and I just lie back.

Anjana  

I need this in my life.  

Alexandria

It’s amazing.

Jess  

Do you have an Amazon link for that?

Kat Harrison  

One thing I did want to call out though is how important it is, if you can, to connect with people who also live with the condition. Because to be quite frank, that’s how you learn about things. I think that, you know, we each see different types of providers. I don’t really have too many people in my family that have migraine that I’m exchanging tips with, so this is kind of fun. We all get to recommend products to each other. I’m trying to think of what helps me most. We talked about ice, and we talked about electrolytes. Another thing that I wanted to say which is, it can be a controversial topic, but massage. So when I was younger and first started getting chronic migraine, I would get cranial sacral massages, just to see what they would do. And eventually, it got to the point where they weren’t covered by my insurance, and I moved so I didn’t have a therapist in New York. But I found that if I take two tennis balls, and I put them at the back of my skull and I lean on them — you like lay on them, and it can get very intense — but if you do it for like 20 minutes, it kind of helps the spinal fluid get flowing. I’m not a doctor so I don’t want to recommend it if it’s not good for your body, but it really helps me when I’m absolutely debilitated. That’s the only time I use it, when literally nothing is working. Also, shout out to eye masks. And then Skye, don’t you love some sunglasses? 

Skye Gailing  

Oh, I’m trying to accumulate an Elton John-level collection. I’m not as wealthy nor as talented as Elton John, but I’m working on it. I have prescription sunglasses, I have nonprescription, all of them are polarized, of course. I have sun hats. I have a ton of baseball caps, because I like them in general, but also gotta keep that sun out of my eyes. I show up to a lot of meetings wearing sunglasses here, which is very nice that this is a welcoming space to do so. But yeah, it’s not uncommon for me to show up with the headache hat on — thank you Kat — and sunglasses. And I mean, this is also in addition to those of us who are on medication, taking the medication we’ve been prescribed. Also, there are some items that it’s like – they’re not necessarily helpful or harmful — but they’re good comfort items. Like my zebra pillow pet doesn’t get rid of my migraine, but hey, it’s nice to have around when I’m in an attack.

Kat Harrison  

Anjana, I have a question for you. I would love to switch the topic, actually, to sleep. And I was curious, does sleep affect your migraine? And if so, have you made any changes to your sleep hygiene?

Anjana  

Yeah, I know that every time I don’t get enough sleep, I usually have the chances of my migraine becoming worse the next day. So that’s for sure something. And when I don’t get enough sleep for a couple of days or even more, I can feel it building up. I can feel the stress building up and it starts with the neck pain and then it kind of becomes really bad to handle later on, so. I don’t know. And I take naps, because sometimes what ends up happening is that I can’t fall asleep for the number of hours. Even if I do have the time I’m not able to fall asleep for nine hours or eight hours or how many ever hours that’s required. And the medicine that I’m taking also requires that I sleep for, you know, this number of hours, but I can’t manage to do it. So what I do is I take naps, and that really helps. Especially since I’m staring at the screen really intensely for the kind of work I do. It really helps to take naps.

Kat Harrison  

OK, so this is fascinating, everyone. So we have a chat in the recording studio when we do these episodes, and Jess and Alexandria are all up in here being like, “I love naps too.” Well, I’m going to take a very solid stance. I do not like naps. I talk about them a lot but I will feel so much worse the next day if I take a nap, and I think that part of it is I don’t have this beautiful ability to just sleep for 20 minutes and feel refreshed. But if I take a nap that messes up my very, very strict sleep schedule and the sleep schedule is what helps my migraine pain. So, Skye, are you anti or pro-nap?

Skye Gailing  

Oh, this gets into being shamed for being a hardcore napper as a kid that I have internalized, that,  “Oh, I’m lazy,” even though I know I’m not. It’s still hard to say I like naps but similar to you, Kat, now I’m on such a strict and medicated sleep routine that I don’t want to do anything to throw it off because when it’s good, it’s good. I’ll take a nap if, say, I get that fatigue, that postdrome crash after a migraine attack. I’ll take a nap during that, but yeah, I actually try to avoid naps because I tend to feel worse after. Especially if I fall asleep without my night guard. Oh, no.

Alexandria  

For me, 90 minutes is the perfect nap time. If it’s too short, it doesn’t do anything. And if it’s too long, I get really groggy and awful for the rest of the day. So it’s like 90 minutes.

Kat Harrison  

So like the length of a feature film. So I could watch a movie on very low volume and Alexandria is all up in here being like, “This is the perfect amount of time for my nap.” OK.

Jess  

Can I ride on that movie wave? 

Kat Harrison  

Yes. 

Jess  

If that’s a feature film, I need the “Titanic” for my naps.

Kat Harrison  

Amazing. Does taking a nap help your pain? 

Jess  

Yes. 

Kat Harrison  

It does?

Jess  

If I am in it, then yes, absolutely. If I can fall asleep. So there’s two types of attacks. There’s the one that I cannot sleep at all, even if I am exhausted and it is like 2 a.m. And then there’s the one that I can barely keep my eyes open, and there’s really nothing I can do except just give in to the sleep and pass out until it passes.

Kat Harrison  

I just can’t, usually. I didn’t give a shout-out to it, but I have a therapeutic eye mask, and I wear it upside down because if I wear it the way you’re supposed to wear it, it digs too much into my face and any kind of facial pressure makes my head worse. So I wear it upside down but it’s super padded. Here’s a question: What do you wish worked for you, but doesn’t? It’s kind of a hard one. 

Jess  

Prescription meds. 

Kat Harrison  

Really interesting. You’ve found no luck?

Jess  

No luck. I think we’ve talked about this before. I think when I was originally prescribed the meds I didn’t know enough about the prodrome to know to take them early enough for them to work, and then I just had so many bad experiences, I kind of stopped experimenting.

Kat Harrison  

Anjana, what about you? What do you wish worked for you?

Anjana  

I wish over-the-counter medicines worked, especially for the days when the migraine is not too bad, but still bad. Because I have two types of medicine, one prescription medicine that I take every day. 

Kat Harrison  

We call those your preventive medications, everyone. 

Anjana  

The preventive ones, and then the one that I take when I know that I’m gonna get a bad migraine. And I don’t like the second one, just because the fatigue is very bad afterwards. I just don’t like it. And I wish I could take over-the-counter medication and it would work, but it never does. I always try it but it just doesn’t ever really work.

Kat Harrison  

Doesn’t work for me either. Alexandria, what about you?

Alexandria  

For the most part, I just wish the things that do kind of work worked better. I’m not sure I’m really envious of anything that doesn’t work. Ice doesn’t work for me, but I don’t wish it did because heat works for me. I mean, I guess if more things worked, that would just be more convenient. Ginger also doesn’t work for me.

Kat Harrison  

That was a great answer, though. And I think that that makes a lot of sense. I actually hadn’t been thinking about it in that framework. For me, I wish I had something that was nonprescription that worked for my nausea. I’ve tried every single ginger product known to mankind, but I think, partially, I just don’t like ginger so that’s difficult. I can only take my nausea medication a couple of times a week but I always have nausea for the most part since I have chronic migraine. So that’s tough. Skye, what about you?

Skye Gailing  

If I could just pop an ibuprofen and call it a day? That’d be great. I sure would love that, save a lot in copays. My eyes just got so conspiracy theory-wide because I’m like, oh, that’d be super cool. But yeah, also with the nausea thing. In theory, there’s a nausea medication I’m supposed to take many times a day, but the side effects are so bad that I don’t. I just wish I could take some ibuprofen and sip my little coffee, maybe suck on a peppermint, and that’d be it. That’d be great.

Kat Harrison  

I have one last question, if we could just give one thing. So, knowing what you know now about your life and experience with migraine, what is one thing you wish you would have known a lot earlier? Jess, let’s start with you.

Jess  

I wish I would have realized that it was gonna stick around. I wish I would have realized that it was a neurological disorder. I wish I would have realized that it was more than a headache and that all of the other symptoms that I was having were part of it, and I wish I would have known how to explain it better when I was younger.

Kat Harrison  

What about you, Alexandria?

Alexandria  

I wish I had known that if I had just talked to a doctor, and like, talked to them about what was really going on and emphasized what was going on, that I could have gotten a prescription medication much sooner. Because my mother wanted to handle our health care herself and didn’t want us to be on too many meds as children, I didn’t get used to talking to doctors. And so it was actually quite a few years before I got a prescription medication because I didn’t think I could or I should. So I wish I had known sooner that if I just talked to a doctor more openly about it, I could have gotten the treatment that would really help.

Kat Harrison  

What about you, Anjana?

Anjana  

I wish I had known that it’s not just a headache. I wish I could also communicate to people around me that it’s not just a headache, and to give myself that grace and treat myself with the compassion that I deserved, and also communicate with people around me to give me that grace and time that I needed instead of just being like, “It’s just a headache.”

Kat Harrison  

You do deserve that grace. You all deserve that grace. I would also like to say, very fascinating thread between the three of your answers, which is some aspect of how you understand the disease. I find that to be really interesting. Our perception of a diagnosis, how it makes us feel, what we believe we are and are not worthy of when it comes to treatment. I find that really interesting. Skye, what about you? What do you wish you would have known?

Skye Gailing  

Oh my goodness. Well, I’m glad Anjana talked about that self-compassion piece because I wish I could just grab younger me by the shoulders and scream — nicely — in her face, “Burnout isn’t cute!” You don’t have to push through every migraine attack. Like everybody said, it’s not just a headache. You don’t have to make yourself miserable and spiral out of control with your physical health. That’s what I would say. Kat, what do you wish you would have known sooner?

Kat Harrison  

I wish I would have known earlier that in order to have some semblance of a quality of life, I would have to make very large changes, I would have to make very large sacrifices, I would have to really change my lifestyle. Because I think if I would have known that, I would have spent a lot less time feeling shame, feeling guilt, having a hard time feeling acceptance, because now that I’ve made those changes, I realize they were worth it to kind of get to the next level of my life. But I wish I would have known that sooner. OK, everyone, we’ve come to the end. The three of you are fabulous. I wish we could be a five-person-hosted podcast. It’s very, very lovely to have three special guests. So thank you, Alexandria, Jess, and Anjana for being here.

Jess

Thank you.

Anjana  

Thank you. 

Alexandria  

Thank you for having us.

Skye Gailing  

Thank you all so much for being here. And thank you, out there in our audience, so much for listening. We hope you laughed and learned in equal measure and that your head is kind to you today.

Kat Harrison  

Join us on our next episode where we’ll be talking about advocating, or not, for migraine.

Skye Gailing  

No pressure to bring your best self, just your authentic one. 

Kat Harrison  

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